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Race Bannon's avatar

This is what I said when I posed this superb post to my social media:

If you have not yet seen Pillion, you might not want to read this. It doesn't contain specific storyline spoilers, but the discussion might be considered an overall spoiler.

That said, this is one of the most articulate explanations about the leather/kink communities (plural intentional) internal disagreements about the movie.

Also, while it's discussing Pillion specifically, I think it speaks directly to prevalent overall disagreements within those communities generally. When we disagree, we're often coming from entirely different mindsets and one mindset camp often not only disagrees, but judges, the other mindset.

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Knowing you pretty well I do get exactly where you are coming from and you knowing me I'm not one to hide my disagreements.

One point is, and I touched on this in my review of it, was that the parents, particularly the mom, were only superficially supportive. The mom never inquires as to whether or not this is what Colin wants, instead she attacks Ray with her knee jerk reaction. I think because of the collar, the shaved head, how Colin dresses it's obvious what kind of relationship he is in but in order to not have that conversation with Colin and spoil their relationship she vilifies Ray to voice her disapproval of the relationship. Parent child relationships don't need to be overtly abusive to be toxic and this is where I think her true nature comes out.

Having been both scene based (which I don't feel the way you talk about that represents me at all but I see what you are seeing with the weekend warriors type) and lifestyle based I don't think I can agree with you when it comes to negotiation (which I will elaborate on in a separate post today or tomorrow). I don't know how Travis took you on but when he took me on there was negotiation, there was a contract which I don't think I actually signed because I understood regardless of my lack of experience at the time that relationships evolve and that I didn't know myself. This is where I see the biggest flaw in Ray's approach.

From my perspective Ray enters the relationship without establishing a baseline which given Colin's inexperience Colin likely couldn't provide. How many subs today put CNC in their profiles when they've never even felt a singletail? He doesn't have a point of reference and where I think how Ray handled it "immorally" is that when the cracks started to form he didn't take stock or review if this is right for Colin. Adjustments needed to be made and it was Ray's responsibility to assess whether the adjustments fit within his needs and if he couldn't meet Colin's needs then he needed to terminate the relationship.

I actually don't think the day off was really what Colin needed, I agree with you on that. What stands out to me is the camp scene where Colin is cuckholded and his response to that wasn't what I would expect from someone who actually likes humiliation. His jealousy was real and palpable and the hurt damaged his relationship with Ray but Ray wasn't looking, he didn't discuss it, he didn't care that Colin is a human with real human feelings which were incompatible with how Ray wanted to conduct the relationship.

For me the abuse is NOT the style of D/s relationship, that style is absolutely appropriate for certain people. The way I see it is that Ray wanted a slave, an object, not a person with feelings while Colin I feel falls more into the boy category where he needs his Dom to say things like, "thank you, boy" or lets him sleep in the bed once in a while because Colin needed affectionate touch and confirmation that he is loved. Ray had no interest in seeing Colin for who he really is and tried to box Colin into the M/s that Ray wanted.

What you didn't touch on which I feel like is the point of the film is that in the end Colin does with the new guy what he and Ray didn't do at the start of the relationship which is that he communicated his perceived needs and set a boundary.

So I don't want to say that you're wrong because again, I know you well and I know that the kind of relationship Ray was after is similar to the type you seek but by dividing the scene players from the M/s group ignores many kink subsets which is similar to what Ray did. Ray treated the relationship with his own cookie cutter without reflection as to whether or not the relationship was right... and the way he ended it was, frankly, cowardly.

For me the film is about self discovery and I do think Colin needed this relationship to grow as a person. Sometimes you need to feel the sting of the singletail to know it's not for you. One time I had a 19 year old kid someone brought to a play party and I was asked to flog him. The kid was scared and safeworded two swings in... I didn't untie him, I checked in and took more time warming him up. At the end of the scene I was using my galley whip on him, yeah the one with the latigo falls, and he was sooo high I needed to be the adult and end the scene. He is now a pain pig, btw. The difference is that I started, assessed, adjusted in a way that allowed us to go on a bigger journey. Ray, by contrast, threw Colin into the middle of the ocean and said, "now, swim!" without even knowing if Colin could float. Ray needed to recognize Colin's inexperience and warm him up to the relationship and that is why I don't respect Ray's approach. If YOU were my slave I know I can push you because you've experienced it and know you still want it. Colin, however, is the newbie who wants to jump right into CNC and so it falls on the one with experience to set the pace.

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